Tina Sequeira - Ontario Metal
Kevin Hughes - Ontario Metal
Mille Petrozza- Kreator (guitar, vocals)

Note: Pictures from the show can be found here:
http://morksjal.atspace.com/kreator-finals/index.html

[We started off chatting about the differences in audiences between the US and Canada…]

Mille: I think playing Canadian shows… it's very European! Every time I come here, it's almost like Europe…but just in a different country!

Tina: Do you mean Toronto too, or just Montreal?

Mille: Montreal and Toronto.

Kev: Montreal's a lot more though.

Mille: Montreal a lot more, yeah, definitely.

Kev: Like, my parents are Americans, they're from the States but I've lived my life in Canada. So when I used to go down as a kid, it's a huge culture shock.

Mille: But also like when we play shows here, the audiences are a lot bigger. In the States some nights, it's really shit. We get good turnouts at the shows, but they're drunk! The whole fucking time, nobody's getting into it, you know? It's so weird. And yesterday, Montreal was amazing!! We used to do shows like this in Europe all the time. And then we come to Poughkeepsie - we played there on a Friday night, had to go on at 11:30pm, and like, at the end of the concert, everyone's like zzzzzzz [pretends to snore].

Tina: Were you surprised that the tour did so well in Europe?

Mille: Surprised? Umm… not really surprised, but it was a bonus for us. Having a tour that does well is better for us. But yeah, it did really good. I knew the audience liked the album, so I was expecting them all to come out.

Tina: Tell me about metal and radio in Europe - I heard that you guys were really high up on the Swedish charts recently. But like, in North America, if metal is on the radio, it's just mainstream stuff, Metallica, Ozzy, that kinda stuff.

Kev: Yeah there is only mainstream stuff on the air here. It's not the same, for underground bands, you just get like university, college stations, schools, that's it.

Mille: There is no mainstream radio in Europe either. I mean you have a couple of stations, especially in Spain, where some mainstream stations kinda have a metal show or something. But it seems that when you turn on the radio here, you don't even really hear the mainstream metal that much - you hear pop music.

Kev: I think here too, just because you have like the Swedish Grammy Awards that actually recognise actual metal bands, as opposed to just established bands on a major record label. And you hear so much more about the bands, the countries are so much closer together. Like here in Canada, each province is like a country!

Mille: Yeah, because everything's so far apart, the country is so big. This is why I think it's really hard to promote a tour properly here. Because it's all like so far apart, and in Europe, you travel like… 2 hours. Where I live, I travel an hour, and I'm in Holland. So it's a lot smaller, so the structure is a lot better.

Kev: There's so much land mass here!

Mille: [laughs] Yeah exactly! So much in between!

Tina: How do you guys feel about being thrash pioneers? I mean, when you guys just started on the scene, compared to now.

Mille: Really, I never think about this stuff. People always tell me like "oh you influenced our band" or "you've pioneered this music". I think it's just the fact that we're still around and we're still doing pretty good, a lot of people think that we're pioneers, but when we started, we never thought about being pioneers or becoming pioneers or whatever. So for us it's still the same, but I mean, for us we just try to do our best as a band… write good songs and when we play live shows, make them as energetic as possible, and just be ourselves. We never thought about like "Okay, we're pioneers now, we can take it easy! You know, like Metallica, make our own movies!" [laughs]

Tina: When you first started out, did you ever think that you'd reach this level of success? How seriously did you originally start out?

Mille: To me, it's always like - umm if I look back on Kreator's history, there's always been ups and downs. At the beginning of the 90's, end of the 80's, we were on a major record label and everybody was like "Yeah, you've made it!!" But then after that, in the 90's in really went down hill and now it's starting to pick up again. So it's like ups and downs, you know? It's never one certain level. I learned something through all these years - I think about the music, you know? For metal, it's all about the music. It's not about the propaganda, it's not about the media attention or whatever. It's about the music. And a lot of the metalheads, if they know that you have a new album out, they check it out. The promotion is also very important but I think what it really is, is the music.

Tina: Speaking of promotion, you've just released an album on SPV. Do you have plans to stick with that label?

Mille: They're good, they treat us well. The thing with SPV is that they opened up an office in the States and now they also have one in Canada and they're growing up, and they really support us. For each album that we did, we did a tour over here, so we're really happy with what they do for us. There could always be better you know, musicians tend to complain about… [laughs]… little things, details that could have been done a little differently or whatever, you know. But all in all, that's really debatable.

Kev: Yeah, I've noticed too that for the new album, you guys have gotten a LOT of support, touring and stuff.

Mille: Yes, yes, this is how it should be! When we put so much energy into an album, a record label should do the same. And now they believe in the band because it's one of the only bands they signed where the sales went up. A lot of the bands that they signed lately, the sales went down.

Tina: Yeah, I see what you mean. Regarding the album - you guys chose a more melodic approach for a couple of songs like Voices of the Dead and Dying Race Apocalypse. Do you plan on continuing in that direction or would you rather stick to your roots?

Mille: Hmmm I don't know, I haven't thought about this yet. But I think that this melodic element in Kreator really helps the song. I mean it makes the music so much stronger, when you go through a fast part or into heavy part and you have a melodic part in between. It really gives the whole thing another dimension, so it doesn't get boring. I think the melodic part will always be a part of Kreator and it always has been, you know. Maybe not on Pleasure To Kill and Endless Pain, but after that… [laughs]

Kev: [cracks up] Yeah, I noticed that too, especially on the new one - actually that's one of the first things I noticed. When I threw that on, after the opening track, you hear the melodicism but a lot of it still reminded me of the first time I was hearing Extreme Aggression, Coma of Souls. Especially Coma of Souls, a lot!

Mille: Yeah Coma of Souls! For us, it's nothing new. I read some reviews where they were like "Kreator sounds like a Swedish band" and I was like "Yeah right! We were there first!" [laughs]

Kev: Yeah, I'll agree with you on that one!

Tina: Yeah, the album did get mixed reviews this time around, so can we expect more something along the lines of Endless Pain for the next album?

Mille: Ah no! [laughs]

Kev: Was that on Banzai? Endless Pain?

Mille: Umm no, possible that wasn't on Banzai....

Kev: Yeah maybe not - I still have that one on tape! [laughs]

Mille: I think it was actually out on Noise.

Tina: Going back to Enemy of God - is it a concept album? And what are your final thoughts on it?

Mille: No, it's not a real concept album, it's more of a - it's got a political theme, but not really on all those songs. Like Voice of the Dead is more of a personal song, and Angel Plague is more metaphoric. And of course Enemy of God is suicide-terrorists, anarchists, talking about what happens in this terror war that we have to go through at this point for at least four more years.

Tina: I also thought The Ancient Plague had a kind of more epic feel to it, it's much more different…

Mille: Yeah, it is different! And you know, when we wrote this song, it was really funny - we wrote this song knowing it's got to be the last song on the album. We said "Now we will write the last song and it will be an epic thing to close the album." The first kind of epic song we had was on Pleasure To Kill, "The Pestilence" - and this, when I wrote the song, I had wanted to write like Part 2 of this. And I wanted to do at least one of those on every album, cos I think it's always a challenge. It's difficult to play those songs live. I have to admit, we tried in Greece and it just didn't work out. Those songs just don't get people to move - you watch it and listen to the song.

Tina: Was it a problem playing it?

Mille: Oh no, it wasn't a problem to play it but it was just… no… uh..

Kev: Like, it doesn't have a actual live vibe to it, you can't have people moving around too much

Mille: Yeeaaahh, yeah, exactly! And it didn't fit with the rest of the songs, so we took it out of the setlist… which is good because otherwise we would have played for one or two hours and that's too long, even for me!

Tina: I also wanted to ask about the kids show that you were on, how did that go?

Mille: Umm…….. [thinking]

Tina: It was really unusual to hear about that!

Mille: Yeah, the kids show was something that our label asked us to do. They were looking for a band to explain what metal's all about to the kids. So I went there and did it. It was very refreshing to see that the kids are very open-minded. They were not metal fans, but - of course not, because they were little kids! [laughs]

Tina: How old were they?

Mille: Oh about 8 to 12. And they were really, really open-minded, they enjoyed it, and I enjoyed it! And those kids they're still like… they were interested in the metal thing, although they didn't know anything about it. They wanted to learn, they wanted to know about it. So they've still eluded any umm…other influences,

Kev: Stereotypes?

Mille: Yeah , stereotypical opinions of other people.

Tina: I was really surprised that a TV station would even air something like that! Cos I mean like, a lot of the time here, they're like "Oh, it's devil music!"

Mille: That's one real good thing about that kids show, because usually on German television, if there's something about metal, it's mostly related to a guy running amok in a school, killing people…

Kev: Like the whole Cannibal Corpse thing!

Mille: Yeah, yeah exactly, the whole thing, it's so fucking cliché! You see it happening here, and the next thing you know, somebody in Germany killed somebody and he's got a Cannibal Corpse or Slipknot or whatever record in his collection. Just because of that - I think it's SO fucking stupid!

Kev: I just look at it like a media scapegoat. It gives them a reason without having to explain anything, to call the kids a metalhead. I mean, it's bullshit, it's just a cop out, an excuse.

Mille: Yeah, it is. Yes, yes. It's so lame, it's become such a cliché. And that's why I was really surprised. I mean, they never said anything about Satan to the kids!!

[everyone is laughing]

Mille: So they weren't like "Okay, this is dangerous music - in case your father kills your mother, it's because he's got a Kreator or whatever record in his collection." It was a very objective, umm.. the kids really learned something from that show.

Tina: How would you suggest breaking down these stereotypes or clichés?

Mille: It's umm… it's impossible. And it's good that way. In my opinion, this kinda music, this underground music, metal or punk rock or whatever, it's not for everyone. It's just for a certain group of people, and there will always be people, like a majority, who will not understand what this music is about. And I wouldn't want that to change, no way! I mean… no! It just shows, when somebody comes up to me and says like "You're a Satanist" or whatever, I know exactly what to think about this person. I don't wanna deal with the guy.

Kev: Yeah, that's not surprising. I get that - I walk with my girlfriend or whatever, and maybe my hair is down or whatever, but I'll open a door for an old lady and say "After you ma'am," and you know... you say "Have a nice day!" and it just throws their perspective right off! I'd rather keep it that way too - it's like, I'm just as smart, if not smarter than you, but I don't need to prove it to anybody.

Mille: Exactly, this is why I think it should not be for everyone. If they don't get it, they it's good that way. It's always been that way, and I don't think it can change.

Tina: Yeah, I don't think it's something that you could make mainstream.

Mille: It's not necessary. And if it becomes mainstream, it becomes boring.

Kev: Well, I look at that as like in the early 90's. Basically like the heyday, the whole death metal explosion. When that happened, same with you guys and Sepultura and all of those bands, and it got really, really big. And you had the major labels stepping in and sniffing around.

Mille: And that's when it went down! Right after that, right after that!

Kev: Yeah, exactly. I was maybe… what, like in 1990, I was about 16. It's the perfect age for it all, like you just sit there going "What the hell's happening to these bands?!" It's almost like Entombed, on "Same Difference" - they had that little bit of pressure from their record label. You put on every Entombed album but that one, and it's a complete washout. It's a good album, musically, but it's not the same.

Mille: Yep, yep, exactly. And that just shows you that as soon as the industry steps in, it's all over.

Kev: Because they offer you everything and they say "Okay, we've offered you everything, you're gonna do this, we want you to do this, you're gonna change your songs and play like this."

Mille: Yeah, and it's tempting because the bands see the future. They think "Oh, now we have made it!" I can kinda understand that, but besides that, it's not healthy. It's good to leave it alone, let the bands do their own thing. That's what the independent record labels do. I mean, we didn't even have to play them any demo tapes. Before we produce an album, they hear it when it's done. They don't have any say, they don't even make any suggestions about the music… which is the way it should be.

Tina: You mentioned seeing the future - what do you see for Kreator's future?

Mille: Hmm, I don't know, I don't think about it. What I see now is that we're touring till the end of year. We're going to Russia after this, and then we're going to Africa, then we're going to England and then we're going to Japan. My schedule is full! And this is this year. Maybe next year we'll do a new DVD or something… and then we'll go back on tour? I don't really plan things in advance that much, I know what will happen in the next half year or so.

[At this point we actually wrapped up the interview… but then we started randomly chatting about other stuff so I quickly decided to turn my recorder back on! We were apparently talking about magazines and reviewers when I turned the recorder on again. Here's the unofficial spontaneous second half of the interview!]

Mille: A lot of it is word of mouth, it's never the fucking magazines. Sometimes if you know one guy in a magazine, but you have to know the guy, know his tastes and style. Then sometimes it makes sense, you know if their review makes sense.

Kev: Yeah, it's like me, I'm not a big black metal fan at all! I like a lot of the riffs and stuff, but the keyboards, it's not my thing. But I won't knock it unless it's got bad production. If it's got bad production, well, I've gotta say something about it. And I find that a lot of people are like "Well, these guys are not as… umm…"

Mille: True!

Kev: Yeah, as true as say Mayhem is, or as theatrical as Dimmu Borgir and stuff like that. It's like, why don't you base it on they're doing and leave it alone, instead of what everybody else is doing? I mean, that would be like comparing you guys to Slayer!

Mille: [laughs] Yeah, yeah!

Kev: I've never looked at it that way. I have friends who are like that, like "Oh, I'm a Kreator fan, I don't like Slayer" or "I like Slayer so I don't like Kreator." It's like, well you have two bands doing completely different bands doing two completely different things - it might be the same form of music, I mean it's metal, but that's it! But instead of having one band you listen to, why don't you have two?

Mille: Yeah, exactly. I think it's like that with all kinds of subgenres in metal. I mean to me, some of the black metal stuff is really good, I think. Immortal I like.

Tina: Yeah, they have really strong riffs!

Mille: Yeah they have very good riffs, once you get into it. And it took me a while - I mean, I've known these guys for years. The Mayhem guys and everything and they've always given me their demo tapes, and I always thought they were not that good. But then I listened to their live album, and it was not too bad! But other than that, I'm not the biggest black metal fan. Some people there are crazy man… I mean, in Oslo… [sighs]

[Kev looks at me laughing, but doesn't say anything. Mille wonders what we're up to]

Mille: Err… did you go there?

Tina: [laughing] No, no, no! [laughs] Actually some friends and I started this joke black metal band. We play black metal, but all of the lyrics are a total joke, grim, true, necro.

[Mille cracks up]

Tina: And some guys from Norway found our website, so they sent us this threatening email saying they're gonna track us down and stuff. We were like "WHAT?!?!" So we took it to the cops and they said "Well, we can't do anything about it because they're in Norway!"

Kev: When she told me, I just started laughing!

Mille: Oh of course, but it could also be dangerous! Some of them are crazy!

Tina: So we were laughing about it but at the same time we were kinda scared!

Mille: No, no, it's not funny, you can be scared. Be scared, it's better! I've just been there, in Oslo and Necrobutcher was there - the guy from Mayhem, the bassplayer. And he told me something, I'd totally forgotten about it. He's like [in Necrobutcher voice:] "Remember when you were here in 1994 (…or something..) we had a discussion. Because you don't wanna have anything to do with the black metal bands. And we had a serious talk about it." [laughs] And I'm like "Umm I can't remember but uh…??" you know! [laughs] They take themselves very seriously, they don't have any humour.

Tina: Yeah don't get me wrong, I actually really love black metal a lot, but I find that It's very elitist too sometimes.

Mille: Yeah, same with that guy, Abbath from Immortal. He's a very nice guy, you can have fun with the guy, but when it comes to music, he can get very serious.

Kev: See, that's some of the things I noticed right away with some of the black metal bands, even stuff like Cradle of Filth and stuff. I threw it on and went "Well, that's not too bad" but then I started reading some of the interviews with them and stuff and they've got this whole royalty - and that just ruins it for me!

[Mille makes random gurgling quasi-black metal sound…???]

Kev: Because they're taking themselves so seriously - I don't care what kinda corpse paint you wear or who puts it on or how many bullets you have on your belt. It doesn't mean shit to me.

Mille: Yeah, this is what I don't understand. The Dimmu guys, they don't take themselves too seriously. They're really cool. But the Cradle guys man…
Kev: Well here, you might not know about it, but in DC, where the Whitehouse is… I don't know if you know about it, but a couple of years there was this thing with the straightedge kids.

Tina: Like, with a lot of the hardcore kids.

Mille: Oh, oh, oh, that's way back though. You're talking like all those bands from DC… what were they called again… Youth Brigade and stuff, way way back.

Kev: Yeah, but they had like, maybe it was late 90's I think it was. A lot of the kids, they had the straightedge X's, they're vegan, they don't eat meat, they don't drink or do drugs… and it was like, if you went to a show because you liked the same bands and you were having a beer or something, they'd beat the shit outta you! And these kids were like "These bands, they do this and that, they're not true hardcore, they're not vegan and all that." You know what, why does it matter so much?

Mille: But you've seen it come and go, man. Those scenes, they come, they pop up out of nowhere and it's cool for a while, and two years later, they're all gone. Where are all those people? I've seen the first generation of the straightedge, like Shelter [mid 90's Hare Krishna hardcore band] and all those, Hare Krishna and all that. Where is all of that now? You know what I mean? For most of those kids, it's just a trend and then they forget about it.

Kev: A good friend of mine, he's into bands like Thought Riot, Rise Against, Belvdere, all that stuff, he loves that stuff! Nicest guy in the world, and he can't drink - he used to when he was in school, but now he's like "I can't handle it, I get too screwed up if I drink."

Mille: But he's not into these bands because he's not drinking?

Kev: No, he's into it because he likes the music, he likes the lyrics - the more political, thought-provoking stuff. Some of the bands, he'll say flat out, "I don't know what the hell this idiot's talking about! The music's killer but whoever wrote the lyrics needs a smack upside the head." He won't take Tylenol or anything and most people see it - when they find out that he listens to hardcore, ska type stuff, they're like "You must do this, or you must be straightedge." He's like "I'm not straightedge the way you think straightedge."

Mille: That's how it should be for everyone man, it's like who the fuck tells me what to do!

Kev: Yeah, and we work together, so sometimes I give him a ride home or we go hang out - and I'll be playing metal or something and he'll be like "Oh I like this! I'm gonna borrow this!" and then he throws some band in and I listen to it too, I don't care!

Mille: Yeah, this is how it should be. A lot of people forget about these things. They think we should have like, black metal here [gestures] and straightedge here and the rest here…

Kev: And back in the day too, you had European thrash and the American form of thrash. Meanwhile I'm listening going "The only real difference is that maybe the guys in America grew up speaking English so they don't have as much of an accent!!"

[everyone laughing]

Kev: But a lot of the times, sometimes it's better. Like I'm a total Bolt Thrower fan and I've always loved the fact that you can always hear the singer's pronounciation, and it made it more effective. You have American style of death metal and the Swedish style. Does it really make that much of a difference to you?

Mille: No, no it does not… But people take the whole thing way to serious. I can enjoy Manowar just as much as… fucking… you know… [trails off]

Tina: They're coming here in the summer!

Mille: Are they??

Tina: With Rhapsody!

Mille: OOOWHWHWHAHAHWHHAHAW!!!! [loud bizarre ohmygod/screaming sound]
[everyone is laughing]

Mille: I hope they bring Christopher Lee! Have you heard about that?

Tina: Yep, from Lord of the Rings

Mille: Yeah, Saruman. He even recorded a song with fucking Rhapsody!!

[mass amounts of laughter]

Tina: They did a video with him too, didn't they?

Mille: Yeah, yeah! They had a video!

Kev: Oh that's good!!! [still laughing] Was he singing or something?!

Mille: Yeah, "AAAAAWWWWWWHHHHHH!!!!!" [sings in power metal falsetto]

[more laughing]

Mille: And now they're going over the top with this! They have festivals scheduled in Germany, where Christopher Lee is singing with Rhapsody AND Manowar!! He's doing - remember those old songs, Dark Avenger, or something like that? He's doing those for Manowar!

Tina: Wow, I was surprised because he's pretty old!

Mille: He's 85. But he wants to record an album now! The thing is, our record company has Rhapsody, so I know all the stories about Christopher Lee. He's really into it! For him, it's like - he doesn't know Rhapsody… but he's like [sings in fake deep Christopher Lee voice] "Oookaaay, somebody wants me to sing on an album!" He never did it before, all his life he was an actor. And now he sees a new challenge in this.

Kev: Like, when Jim Carrey did Ace Ventura: Pet Detective…

Tina: Cannibal Corpse was in it!

Mille: Oh yeah, yeah, Cannibal Corpse!

Kev: I was watching an interview with him. My little brother, he was about 10 at the time, and he loved that movie, he'd play it over and over at the time! And he'd take his buddies into my room because he knew I had the Cannibal Corpse cds and he was like "This is awesome, listen, listen!" And I'm watching this thing and Jim Carrey actually requested that Cannibal Corpse be the band to play. And I know a lot of my buddies were making fun of him for doing death metal imitations and stuff, but he's like "This stuff is fucking great! This stuff is crazy, it's over the top!" That's just kinda what he wanted for the whole movie, I mean everything else was totally blown outta proportion.

Mille: Yeah, a lot of those actors really like this stuff. It's like Christoper Lee, I mean he doesn't need the money, you know? I'm really surprised actually that Rhapsody is touring here now though. I think it's because Manowar, they have their own label now.

Kev: I've been finding over the past year or two years, the whole power metal thing's been getting bigger and bigger.

Tina: Yeah here too…

Kev: I don't get it, me personally, it's not my thing at all. I don't get it.

Mille: [laughs] Tell me about it! I have so many friends who play in power metal bands, and they're really nice people, but I'm always telling them, [in low whisper] "C'mon guys, you have to get heavy now!" You know this band Edguy, from Germany?

Tina: Yep, they're super power metal-y! [laughs]

Mille: Yeah, VERY nice guys, but their music, man… It's like, not bad, but you know… it sounds like Dio or something.

Kev: It's like Lite Metal! Like a light beer or something. [laughs]

Mille: But in Europe it's very big, it's doing very well!

Tina: It sounds too happy!!

Kev: [to me] Like that err your folk-metal stuff that you listen to!

Mille: What is that, Finntroll and stuff like that?

Tina: Yup! [Mille bursts out laughing]

Mille: It's a lot of fun, it's really different!

Kev: Like that video you sent me, this guy, Ron-troll. He's got his headphones on, and he's dancing to Finntroll [pretends to dance like a troll] And Tina sent this to me, and I'm on my computer and I couldn't stop laughing! I was crying, I was laughing so hard!

[Mille tries to speak but he's laughing too much]

Tina: I told you about that joke black metal band yeah? We played Trollhammaren at one show and these people started dancing in the moshpit, with their beers!

Mille: [laughs] Yeah, that's a big thing in Europe. Because it's part of the European culture, the humppa (polka).

Tina: And Moonsorrow too

Mille: Yeah, yeah, those bands are pretty big around there. And also, Ensiferum?

Tina: OH! Yeah I love them! [laughs] They're from Finland too.

Kev: You might be surprised here, that in October, there's a city about an hour or so from here, called Kitchener, and they have Oktoberfest! And it's HUGE!

Mille: Yeah, I know, I know. They have a lot - even in the States, they have a lot of cities with the same names.

Kev: I used to live in Vancouver before I moved out here, and we went to see Primus one summer. And we were looking around trying to find the bathroom, and it was this big exhibition type of thing that they had. So we asked some guy and he says "Are you old enough to drink?" We're like "Oh yeah!", and he tells us "Okay, go on in, it's the Oktoberfest pavilion!" We stayed there for about four hours!!
[everyone cracking up]

Kev: We were dancing on the tables, got our beer. Our friends were all asking "Where were you?!" and we're like "Oktoberfest." [mass laughing from everyone] We got so drunk, we couldn't even talk anymore, so we didn't even see Primus. We just sat in our seats going "ooohhh!!"

Mille: [laughing] There are a lot of places you can play here in Canada. I've seen some bands in those magazines, they do like two weeks, just Canada! There's a lot of possibilities for touring here.

Tina: Yeah, there are a lot of smaller cities around Toronto that they hit sometimes. Smaller, but they still have strong scenes.

Mille: Yeah, our merch guy is going on tour with Stratovarius sometime in the summer, and he said he's doing like 5 shows or something.

Kev: Yeah, even once you get into Ontario, if you come in from Detroit. You can do Windsor, London, if you're a smaller band then you could do Hamilton, then Toronto and you can go to Ottawa…

Tina: And then up to Montreal

Kev: Yeah, you can go to Montreal. And even on the east coast - I played a show with the guys from Misery Index, with the band I'm in, last year. When they were here again with Suffocation, I was talking to them - they just got back from a tour on the east coast, the Maritimes. And those kids are starving for bands, because nobody ever goes there! They were saying that every night, there were hundreds of kids, all-ages shows and they were just going nuts!

Mille: Yeah, I know, it's really a lot of places here that bands can play.

[At this point Mille looked kinda tired and we were all talked out, so we quickly wrapped up the interview (again!) before and hopped out of the tour bus before the tour manager came in to kick us out! Huge thanks to Mille for the super informative and interesting chat!]